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mags55
24th August 2015, 22:10
I have recently downloaded the 'Predictable' app.
At first, I didn't get on with it, now I'm getting more used to it although, I still have a lot to learn.
I was disappointed that it doesn't correct your spelling as you go along, so it takes me longer as I have to go back and alter some words! I have just started to use the prediction words more (the menu of words it thinks you are going to use next). I have read that people think it's really good, so I hope I can get faster on it. Sometimes, when i try to answer or ask a question on it, by the time I'm correcting my mistakes, the subject has gone onto something else😬

It cost 120 to buy, so I hope I can start getting used to using the predictive words all the time.
I bought a new iPad, which I find a bit big to carry around, I thought the mini one maybe to small key wise?
When I go to shops or any appointments, I take my pad and pen to use.

Miss Technology.........not!
Mags 😏

willsandco
24th August 2015, 22:31
I don't use the predictor at all, mags. I find it far too slow for meI just type on it and when I have finished go back and amend It is quicker for me. Everyone says how fast I am on it but the more you use it the faster you get. But certainly the conversstion goes on without you! Not often you can get a joke in! But I love mine. I dont bother with pads or pens now unless I am in a one to one and I feel very comfortable out and about. I have an iPad light. Xx

mags55
24th August 2015, 22:53
Hi Joycie,
I seem to make so many spelling mistakes, as I am typing this, it is great as any incorrect spellings, it automatically corrects itself and I am speeding along, I so wish predictable done this!
If I went back correcting all my mistakes, I will take forever. You must be a very fast typer.
I'm sure I will get quicker the more I use it, but I know unlike you, I will have to use the predictable. I wonder why it doesn't have auto correction?, it would make sense. You should see me when I'm doing a text message on my iPhone, takes me ages and I sometimes send the message without checking first and it's all double Dutch! I must have fat fingers or something? But glad you get on with it Joycie. My voice is so bad now, no one understands me, so I need to use the iPad more. I just hope I can get through saying my wedding vows on Friday��
Non quitter
Mags xx

mags55
24th August 2015, 23:11
Hi Joycie,
I seem to make so many spelling mistakes, as I am typing this, it is great as any incorrect spellings, it automatically corrects itself and I am speeding along, I so wish predictable done this!
If I went back correcting all my mistakes, I will take forever. You must be a very fast typer.
I'm sure I will get quicker the more I use it, but I know unlike you, I will have to use the predictable. I wonder why it doesn't have auto correction?, it would make sense. You should see me when I'm doing a text message on my iPhone, takes me ages and I sometimes send the message without checking first and it's all double Dutch! I must have fat fingers or something? But glad you get on with it Joycie. My voice is so bad now, no one understands me, so I need to use the iPad more. I just hope I can get through saying my wedding vows on Friday��
Non quitter
Mags xx

Candle
24th August 2015, 23:35
You will get quicker Mags, it's inevitable. Good luck for the wedding vows just don't try auto correct then and end up saying I don't!

FlyingSoupDragon
24th August 2015, 23:52
.... I just hope I can get through saying my wedding vows on Friday.
Non quitter
Mags xx

Fab! Good Luck. Have a wonderful day Mags.

mags55
25th August 2015, 08:24
Ha ha Candle,
Actually I'm going to try and speak the vows!, no one will understand me but as the registrar knows what I'm trying to say, it should be ok?
Thank you for best wishes, you too Norman.
I'm sure I will get faster the more I use 'predictable', I have yet to add well used phases on it, I'm sure that will help.

Barry52
25th August 2015, 10:04
Have a great day Mags and since everyone knows the wedding vows who cares if they don't understand you.

Good luck with your predictable practice. I'm sorry you paid for it as the NHS are supposed to provide free communication aids.

Barry

mags55
25th August 2015, 14:52
Thanks Barry,
I did learn that afterwards, I'm not sure I have the best speech therapist!!

Terry
25th August 2015, 17:16
Dinosaur Mags;

No, not now, just work your way through things slowly, step by step and ask here if/when you get stuck.

Speech therapists are not usually good at IT talking devises but it's normally worth getting them involved.

Onwards and upwards, love Terry

Terry
3rd July 2016, 16:08
Hi;

I have been offered "Predictable" for my Android tablet but I am a bit concerned that the App blocks the blue tooth and headphone socket so that you have to get some adapter.

It tried my load speaker into Barry's I Pad recently and it didn't work and I have also have the same things happen with Trevor's a couple of years ago.

Do you have experience of this?

I would have thought that it has been deliberately designed to do this in-order to get more revenue, if so this must be morally wrong.

Love Terry

Katrina36
3rd July 2016, 22:44
Hi terry, I'm. It sure why it's doing that as dad never had any problem with his, shame considering he still prefers his whiteboard aswell,, I hope you can get this fixed soon :).... Kitty x

FlyingSoupDragon
4th July 2016, 07:46
I use Predictable with a Bluetooth keyboard on an iPad and experience no problems at all.

Using an external keyboard speeds up entries and brings many of the useful keyboard shortcuts you would use within a text editor. Some like 'speak' (esc) need to be found.

Terry
4th July 2016, 12:01
Thanks Norman;

Have you use an extra speaker using blue tooth and/or wire connection?

Love Terry

FlyingSoupDragon
5th July 2016, 07:46
Have you used an extra speaker using blue tooth and/or wire connection?

Love Terry

Hi Terry,

Yes, very successfully. We use one, sometimes two UE Boom speakers via Bluetooth. These, like iPad Pro, are expensive but all iPads work well with peripheral devices. Sound quality is excellent. The iPad is our entertainment centre for sound and vision.

The iPad Pro 12.9 & 9.7 use the Apple Pencil to great effect for every user but they're particularly liberating for MND stricken hands. Accessibility features (through Settings) provide a variety of modified ways to interact through the screen. Ten minutes spent investigating brings very handy results.

PS: The speaker system within the iPad Pro is really powerful, external speakers not required with them.

Terry
5th July 2016, 10:52
Thanks Norman;

We were talking about head control on another thread, do you know what/if apps are available for head or eye control for I pads. I have seen a head pointer working a switch program but was not over impressed.

Love Terry

Ellie
5th July 2016, 13:01
Hi TC,

I'm not aware of any head controlled mouse, free or not, for iOS. There is a cheap ($40) camera mouse for OS X (Mac)

The Eye Tribe eye tracker works with OS X, but it is not free. Most AAC seems to be developed for Windows and far fewer for Macs, but there are ways around this, sometimes.

I'm not that well up on non-Windows tech!

xx

Terry
5th July 2016, 17:23
Hi Ellie;

At that AAC day there was a, I think 35 year old cerebral palsy lady, that used a switch type program to give a talk. She said that if there was one thing that she could change with her communication system, it would be the "windows updates".

Do you know much about the $40 camera mouse? I don't use Apple products but it is always useful to know.

Love Terry

Candle
5th July 2016, 17:28
Reading some of this thread reminded me of Julius and Optikey. Has anyone followed his work? It seemed very interesting and much better than some of the communication aids we were trying two years ago, camera mouse and tracker pro, etc.

Ellie
5th July 2016, 21:15
Hiya TC,

Eyetwig iTracker http://www.eyetwig.com/itracker.html


Wonder what that lady meant about the Windows updates? They shouldn't interfere with her switches and she can always turn off automatic updates.

Love Chimp xox.

Ellie
5th July 2016, 21:30
Hi Candle,

Optikey is a software package which needs hardware to operate it. This can be a camera mouse - free - or an eye tracker - about €125.
Sometimes a camera mouse can be quite difficult for those with ALS/MND to use, as good, consistent head control is necessary.

Ellie.

Terry
5th July 2016, 21:33
Hi Chimp;

It is important for people to know that we are talking about head control of the computer which is quite different to Eye Gaze systems. They also will probably require quite a bit of adjustment to work effectively.

It's what she said and also people preempting what she wants to say and the machine just saying things wrong. She didn't seem to have any control of her limbs etc. I quite like people seeing what I'm writing and if one to one, people preempting as it speeds things along and if it says a word wrong they normally know what it is by looking at my spelling.

Love Terry

FlyingSoupDragon
6th July 2016, 08:07
Hi Chimp;

..... I quite like people seeing what I'm writing and if one to one, people preempting as it speeds things along and if it says a word wrong they normally know what it is by looking at my spelling.

Love Terry

Good point Terry, 'saves typing and in doing so maintains the cadence of the conversation. Keep the iPad screen visible (on a stand) where it can be seen by your circle - using an external keyboard speeds things up further and engages people which makes for a more inclusive experience for everyone.

Terry
6th July 2016, 11:33
Hi Norman;

At the recent AAC day event at Cambridge, one firm (Techcess Ltd) had a pendant that you hung around your neck with a message board on it. It needed a special soft ware to run it.

I have always wanted a messaging board on the front dash as it can be so hard communicating sitting in a WAV in a wheelchair in the back.

I know Dvd uses a splitter Y piece in the headphone socket and head phones which could work quite well.

Love Terry

FlyingSoupDragon
7th July 2016, 08:28
Hi Norman;

At the recent AAC day event at Cambridge, one firm (Techcess Ltd) had a pendant that you hung around your neck with a message board on it. It needed a special soft ware to run it.

I have always wanted a messaging board on the front dash as it can be so hard communicating sitting in a WAV in a wheelchair in the back.

I know Dvd uses a splitter Y piece in the headphone socket and head phones which could work quite wel.

Love Terry

Hi Terry,

There's two distinct challenges with all these devices, the first is rapid, simple text entry. The second is delivering the communications to the recipeant.

Getting your message into the device without some kind of assistance can be tedious, particularly if the hands are not working well. Predictable and apps like it have options for doing this, but they tend can fall short at the interface by being clunky/awkward to use. Aids like TextExpander (Apple IOS) and its other platform's equivalents enable you to create a library of texts of ANY length you can conjure up with shortcuts of just a few keystrokes. These apps can and will improve as iterations arrive, but all are easier to use with practice and a bit of ingenuity.

A second (Bluetooth) screen to be placed in a spot clearly visible to you audience would help, particularly if it came with hide/reveal options on the master screen - the one under your control.

https://textexpander.com/. This link gives a handy illustration.

Terry
7th July 2016, 11:25
Thanks for the info, Norman;

I do a similar thing on my lightwriter and store things and play them just by typing in a few letters. Only thing is remembering all of them if you don't keep using them. Also you have to make sure that the letters don't look like a word when inputting it.

Love Terry

FlyingSoupDragon
7th July 2016, 14:14
Thanks for the info, Norman;

I do a similar thing on my lightwriter and store things and play them just by typing in a few letters. Only thing is remembering all of them if you don't keep using them. Also you have to make sure that the letters don't look like a word when inputting it.

Love Terry

Yes, they're a collection of keyboard macros, there are tricks you can use to help build and remember them.

Terry
5th August 2016, 20:37
I have recently downloaded the 'Predictable' app.
At first, I didn't get on with it, now I'm getting more used to it although, I still have a lot to learn.
I was disappointed that it doesn't correct your spelling as you go along, so it takes me longer as I have to go back and alter some words! I have just started to use the prediction words more (the menu of words it thinks you are going to use next). I have read that people think it's really good, so I hope I can get faster on it. Sometimes, when i try to answer or ask a question on it, by the time I'm correcting my mistakes, the subject has gone onto something else😬

It cost 120 to buy, so I hope I can start getting used to using the predictive words all the time.
I bought a new iPad, which I find a bit big to carry around, I thought the mini one maybe to small key wise?
When I go to shops or any appointments, I take my pad and pen to use.

Miss Technology.........not!
Mags 😏

I have tried Predictable again and I'm so surprised that it does not automatically correct spellings on give you an option to put in spaces etc.

My "Swiftkey" free downloaded android keyboard does all of that and has started predicting two words saving m,ore time and mistakes.

I do hope that "Predictable" gets up to speed and improves it's predictions! I can understand why people with I Pad's continue to use "speak it".

Love Terry

FlyingSoupDragon
6th August 2016, 07:56
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Attach a keyboard via Bluetooth (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Windows/dp/B013SL1YXO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470561055&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+keyboard+mac) and Predictable (http://www.therapy-box.co.uk/assistive-technology/apps/pa-english.php) is transformed. Make sure it's an iOS (if iPad) compatible keyboard (function key arrangements) to achieve the benefits below. Logitech have a good range.


Keyboard Shortcuts you would routinely use work, not all but handy ones. Press 'Command' and a pop-up shows them in every app.

​AutoSpell will correct your typos, not always with what you want, but it works without intervention.





Use Command-Tab and the App Switcher pops up enabling you to work your iPad on a stand , not on your lap.






Keyboard functions like Volume, Brightness etc are under your fingers.


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The iPad Pro 9.7" with the Apple Pencil offers a further improvement to the experience. The Pencil empowers hands and fingers affected by MND, the point of contact on the screen is precise and not obscured by surrounding fingers, greater precision is possible which saves annoying deletes and retyping saving time and temper.

Reminder, keyboard shortcuts are available in most apps, press and hold Command to see what's available with the app open in front of you. Have fun!

PS: Using a keyboard with 3 Bluetooth 'channels' means you can switch between devices, phone, iPad and computer.

FlyingSoupDragon
7th August 2016, 08:04
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Speak it (http://www.future-apps.net/app/voice-synthesis-for-your-iphone/) is an excellent alternative to Predictable, it lends itself very well to remote keyboard use. TextExpander provides an onscreen keyboard (through Settings>General>Keyboards - don't forget to grant full Access) which brings TextExpander functions to ANY loaded iPad app. 'Speak it' also autocorrects spelling and typos.

Voice output is a bit stilted, but for less than 2 ... :cool:

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