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  1. #311
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    Hi CC,

    Only a madman would use the Olympic Games as an opportunity to stage an attack but then again history has shown up a few madmen. I am confident that with the eyes of the world watching the games will be trouble free.

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  2. #312
    Hi Barry

    I'm very excited for the Winter Olympics they are my favorite, the games start in February

    I hope other countries will not consider pulling out because of the tensions in that part of our world, but its possible they will if don't feel its safe.

    Agree history has produced quite a few madmen, and they are not rational or logical, and we are definitely in a moment of history with these two nut jobs.

    Peace on earth xox

  3. #313
    An interesting article

    A year on, Trump tests limit of UK 'special relationship'

    James PHEBY
    AFP•November 5, 2017

    London (AFP) - Donald Trump's election was expected to hand Britain a secret weapon in forging a post-Brexit future, but his interventions in British politics and controversial foreign policy have strained the so-called "special relationship".

    The bond between Britain and the United States has been the backbone of the post-war geopolitical order, but after huge political upheaval in both countries, a status update on the special relationship might now read: "It's complicated".

    Trump rode to the White House on a populist wave also seen in the Brexit vote. He appeared keen to help the UK by promising a swift trade deal once it left the European Union, in stark contrast to predecessor Barack Obama who had warned Britain would be "at the back of the queue".

    Brexit supporters hailed Trump as "the tooth fairy", giving Britain an unexpected card in their negotiations with the EU.

    But the US president's split with the international community over the Iran nuclear deal, his war-of-words with North Korea and his withdrawal from the Paris climate accord have strained relations and left Britain in a diplomatic fix.

    "The idea that Donald Trump is going to come in on a white horse and fix all of Britain's trade problems is a myth," London School of Economics fellow Brian Klaas told AFP.

    "It's a misplaced optimism because trade negotiations will take years to complete and Trump says things all the time that he doesn't mean and will never follow through on.

    "Trump might not win in 2020, he might not be the person that the UK is dealing with," he added.

    Relations took a severe blow in September when the US imposed stiff tariffs on Canadian aerospace firm Bombardier, which employs thousands of people in Northern Ireland, following a complaint from Boeing.

    Former defence secretary Michael Fallon warned the move "could indeed jeopardise our future relationship with Boeing," dashing hopes that the US would offer favourable terms in a future deal, which can only be officially negotiated after Britain leaves the EU in 2019.

    "There is still the possibility of a trade deal, but at the moment we can't foresee what that will look like," Russell Foster, foreign policy expert at King's College London, told AFP.

    "The only indication we have got is what's happened in Northern Ireland with Boeing and Bombardier, where yet again Trump's unpredictable nature means 4,000 jobs are going to be lost."

    British Prime Minister Theresa May was the first world leader to visit Trump's White House, and appeared to develop a bond, inviting the US leader for a state visit to stay with the Queen.

    But hours after the meeting, Trump unexpectedly announced a travel ban from seven Muslim-majority countries, affecting dual British citizens and wrong-footing British officials, according to emails released by the BBC last week.

    "The dual nationals angle will of course be really difficult for us," read one Foreign Office email.

    "Not great after the PM visit," said another.

    The offer of a state visit has reportedly been downgraded following a backlash to Trump's executive order.

    There were threats of boycotts and mass protests, while speaker John Bercow declared the US president would not be allowed to address the House of Commons.

    The row also strained personal relations between the two leaders.

    "It's in Britain and America's interest to have close relations, but the political peril of that is huge," said Klaas.

    Trump has also infuriated British authorities with his tweets on terrorism in Britain, including highly publicised run-ins with London mayor Sadiq Khan.

    However, while commentators and politicians rushed to condemn Trump, some of the criticism may be the result of the US leader's habit of highlighting volatile wedge issues that pit the establishment against sizeable chunks of the general public.

    "As much as Trump is imagined by much of the elite as a bit of a clown, he's a very powerful symbolic figurehead for people who are dissatisfied and feel abandoned by establishment elites," said Foster.

    The British establishment therefore finds itself in a bind, he added, with little choice but to persevere with a leader they see as a liability and who represents a movement that "absolutely" poses a threat to their very existence.

    "The US provides us with economic and military benefits which far outweigh the benefits that we give to the Americans," Foster said.

    "The special relationship has always been very one-sided."

  4. #314
    Here is a very Liberal view from Bill Maher closing monologue regarding Trump's Wall. It got people talking over here, I thought it was pretty spot on as well as funny...just wanted to share. (I bleeped out the curse words)


    BILL MAHER: The problem is Trump fans don't want a fence, or a river, or a virtual barrier, they want a ----- wall! Because a wall represents an impregnable barrier that keeps out not just Mexicans but everything that makes them feel antsy about 'the old America that's slipping away.'

    'The Wall, it's like one of those prescriptions drugs that blocks the causes of your discomfort. Yes, now there's Mexigone. Mexigone has been clinically proven to reduce the pain caused by foreigners entering the country illegally. Mexigone works with your natural gullibility to construct a wall that keeps immigrants from sh**hole countries out and good-paying jobs in so you can back cleaning your guns and sending out Facebook memes of Hillary getting hit with a golf ball.'

    Except, it doesn't work that way. Most illegals don't even cross the border, they come here the same way you got back from Cabo. They catch a flight and then they just stay. Like that Australian on your couch.

    Even Trump admitted The Wall was bogus when he was caught on tape to a call to Mexico's president saying the wall is the least important thing we are talking about. It was always just an applause line that got out of hand.

    So there you have it: The Wall will not help with employment, it's not feasible to build, and even Trump knows it's bull***. And if all of that isn't enough to deter you, let me add this Trumpsters, you don't need it, because everything that wall represents, the bigotry, the racism, the ignorance, the paranoia, is already in your heart.

    Yes, The Wall has been inside you the whole time. Trump just brought it out because he's the ***** whisperer. But you don't need it. Every time you vote for a child molester because the other choice is a Democrat, The Wall is there. Every time you feel rage because a voice recording says, 'for Spanish press 2,' The Wall is there. It's there when you begin a Facebook post with, 'I'm not a racist, but.' And it's there every time a unisex bathroom makes you hold it until you get home. It's there when snow makes you deny global warming. And it's there at the ballgame when 2 gays on the kiss cam make you throw up in your mouth.

    Every time you use air quotes when you say the word "college," The Wall is there. It's there when you use Jew as a verb. And it's there every time you're Tucker Carlson. So you don't need a wall because, you see, even without it you're still the grumpy ------- who ruins Thanksgiving.

  5. #315
    This article was sent to me by a friend in your country from your Guardian paper regarding Trump's visit to the UK.

    Maybe most have seen it already, but I thought it was brilliant, and so well written just wanted to share it for those interested, and didn't see it.



    Vladimir Putin must be dreading Monday’s edition of Komsomolskaya Pravda, Russia’s big and breezy tabloid. It will doubtless splash on an explosive interview with Donald Trump ahead of his visit to Moscow, in which the US president will slam Putin’s handling of the war in Syria, suggest US-Russian relations are doomed and lavish praise on the Russian leader’s “very talented” rival. Poor Vladimir must be quaking in his boots.

    Oh wait. No interview like that is coming, and not only because Putin would never allow it. Trump himself wouldn’t dare speak so harshly of his Russian counterpart, just as he only ever has words of comfort and admiration for Xi Jinping of China, Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia and, these days, Kim Jong-un of North Korea. When he meets tyrants and dictators, Trump – the great disruptor, the supposedly fearless straight talker – suddenly remembers his manners. If the hand he’s shaking belongs to a strongman, he bows and scrapes, unctuously deferential to the diplomatic niceties and protocols.

    Only with democratic leaders does he like to play the tough guy, visiting humiliation on those nations that have stood faithfully at the US’s side for decade after decade. Russia meddled in the US’s democratic process in 2016 – as much an attack as if Moscow had launched a physical strike on a military base, as FBI agent Peter Strzok told a congressional hearing this week – but for Putin, Trump cannot bring himself to utter a harsh word.

    Instead it is Britain, whose bond of blood with the US should not need spelling out, that offers up a full-dress, all-but-state banquet in Winston Churchill’s birthplace, followed by tea on Friday with the 92-year-old monarch and an itinerary that allows him to chopper around Britain pretending there aren’t crowds below who loathe him – and what does the country’s prime minister get in return? A series of insults calculated to undermine and weaken her, delivered by means of the country’s bestselling newspaper.

    Theresa May should not take this too personally. Trump behaves appallingly to all democratically elected leaders and especially women, as Angela Merkel can testify: witness his public upbraiding of Germany at this week’s Nato meeting in Brussels, a tirade against an ally with next to no precedent in modern diplomacy. Afterwards, of course, Trump insisted he and Merkel have a great relationship, which only confirms both how devalued language is when it issues from the mouth of this president and the bullying pattern that is the abuser’s hallmark: a punch followed by soothing words of reassurance and the promise that things will be better in future, so long as you do as he says.

    Curiously, those arch-conservatives and self-proclaimed patriots who one might have imagined to be sticklers for courtesy and diplomatic etiquette have been unexpectedly indulgent. Who should pop up on the radio to defend Trump but Jacob Rees-Mogg, who was so incensed when Barack Obama warned in 2016 that a Brexiting Britain would be at the “back of the queue” for a trade deal with the US, that he declared: “No true honest Briton is going to be told what to do by a Yankee president.” Yet on Friday, Mogg found it “perfectly reasonable” that a different Yankee president was telling the Brits what was good for them. Funny how flexible these stout defenders of British sovereignty can be. Allowing Brussels the tiniest say in our affairs would be the greatest threat to the kingdom since the 13th century. But when a sympathetic US president tells them to jump, they ask how high.

    It’s tempting to think that Trump is just a mercurial, unhinged man-baby – like the blimp in the London sky on Friday – whose mood swings have to be managed: a tantrum to the Sun, then calm at Chequers. But that’s a misreading. Yes, Trump is wild and volatile, but if he lashes out it’s only ever in one direction. There is strategic method to his madness.

    In geopolitics, his targets are always the same: the forces of multilateralism, cooperation and international order, whether it’s Nato, the EU, the UN or even the G7. He wants to see those bodies weakened and destroyed, replaced by a dog-eat-dog world of single states, dealing with each other one-on-one. In that world, the US would be the biggest dog, and get to snarl and snap at all the rest.

    The implications for Britain as it contemplates Brexit could not be starker. The Brexiteers hold up a US-UK deal as if it’s the great prize of “liberation” from the EU. But Trump’s enthusiasm for it should give them pause. Does he really want to see us out because he wants Britain to prosper, big softie, son of a Scottish mum that he is? Or is it more likely that he relishes the chance to negotiate a deal with a needy and relatively small UK, rather than a 28-member EU with enough economic clout to sit at the table with the US as an equal?

    Trade analysts say that, at most, a UK deal with the US could add 0.3% to Britain’s GDP, compared to the much bigger loss incurred by our leaving the single market. As the weaker party in talks, Britain would be under pressure to open itself up to US chlorinated chicken and big pharma.

    And this is how Trump would love to deal with every country, including the nations of continental Europe. For him, Brexit is a means to the larger end of weakening or dissolving the EU altogether. That’s why he even urged Emmanuel Macron to consider a Frexit. A bloc as large and rich as the EU stands in the way of the world he’d like to see, one governed by the law of the jungle – in which the US is for ever the biggest beast.

    So this is the question Britons have to contemplate, now that the reality of Brexit is sinking in. Do we want to remain in a bloc that gives us strength and safety in numbers, or walk alone into the negotiating chamber with Trump? How naive the US president must think the likes of Boris Johnson or Rees-Mogg, the pair of them eagerly willing on a future in which Britain will be the much weaker party – and imagining that Trump is encouraging this change for our sake.

    More deeply, Britons need to decide where we stand on what is emerging as the defining global divide. Are we with the world that the EU, in its own imperfect way, still embodies – one built on alliances, cooperation and institutions that seek to balance might with right? Or do we want to throw in our lot with the world of Putin, Viktor OrbŠn and Trump, a place of jostling nations, each state alone and out only for itself, where every transaction is a zero-sum game, a world in which you either screw or get screwed? It’s clear where Trump wants us. But what do we want?

    • Jonathan Freedland is a Guardian columnist

  6. #316
    For anyone interested in a good political read, this was a very well written article by Matt Bali a National Political Columnist. He wrote about John McCain's passing, and our Man/Baby President's reaction to it. For those not familiar, John McCain had been a thorn in Trump's side from day one.


    Donald Trump doesn’t remind you much of the brilliant actress Helen Mirren, but this week in Washington, with all the fuss over flags and funeral arrangements, he nicely reprised her Oscar-winning performance in “The Queen.” Maybe you’d call this version “The Drama Queen.”

    If you didn’t see the 2006 film, the true-life premise goes like this: Princess Diana dies, and all of Britain loudly grieves. But Queen Elizabeth II, sitting in her palace, disdains her former daughter-in-law’s celebrity and prefers to handle the funeral privately, without making a big national to-do about it.

    The new prime minister, Tony Blair (played by Michael Sheen, because there’s a law in England that Tony Blair can only be played by Michael Sheen), tries to help the aging Elizabeth see that times are changing, and that the monarchy itself could be in jeopardy. But the queen just can’t wrap her mind around the fact that the people love Diana in a way they can’t love her.

    You see where I’m going with this?

    In our version of “The Queen,” John McCain is the one whose death prompts a moment of national mourning, while the would-be monarch seethes at the implicit rejection. Except here the characters are essentially inverted.

    Here it’s the character who represents decorum and duty whose death evokes a sense of abiding loss. And it’s the superficial celebrity type, the guy who trashes tradition and can’t get enough of the cameras, who finds himself isolated on the throne.

    It’s almost enough — almost — to make you feel some sympathy for Trump, if you have any sense of pathos at all. Throughout his life, despite all the wealth and fame that came his way, all Trump ever wanted was some validation from the country’s cultured, moneyed establishment — people with class, to use the president’s vernacular.

    It doesn’t take Jung to see that all of this raging against the machine, all these rallies meant to incite resentment and elicit deafening roars of adulation, are really just Trump’s way of handling rejection.

    But even now, at the pinnacle of Trump’s unimaginable success, with all his money and generals and armored cars and all the rest, it’s the grizzled old warrior, a man for whom Trump harbored nothing but jealousy and contempt, whose death somehow unites the elite of both parties.

    So intolerable is this for Trump, so stinging an indignity, that he was willing to hurriedly throw half of NAFTA back together and call it by another name just to give himself something to talk about.

    Trump, like Queen Elizabeth, isn’t wrong to see some injustice in all of this. After all, he did what McCain never could, despite two gallant tries, which was to actually win the presidency.

    And he’s right that we in the media have always slobbered over McCain (except for that brief period when he actually had the nomination in 2008), because he knew exactly how to make us feel vital and appreciated, whereas Trump could stop an asteroid from crashing into California by catching it with his bare hands, and all the editorial writers would want to know is why he didn’t deflect it toward Russia.

    As the media critic Jack Shafer pointed out in a brave column this week, reporters who weren’t even born when McCain left a prison in North Vietnam reminisced about him this week as if they had shared his dorm at Annapolis.

    I didn’t know McCain all that intimately, and especially not in later years. I spent a bunch of time with him during and after his 2000 presidential campaign, and interviewed him at length about foreign policy in 2008 for the New York Times Magazine. He didn’t appreciate the way the Times treated him that year, and my requests after that were mostly turned down.

    I also had a hard time seeing McCain as an uncomplicated hero. While I respected his tenacity in passing his signature law, the reform of campaign finance in 2002, I came to believe over the years that McCain-Feingold, as it was known, did more harm than good to a functioning political system.

    And choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate in 2008 was easily the least patriotic thing McCain ever did. By cynically exploiting the extremism in his own party and further conflating celebrity with service, McCain cracked open the door through which Trump would eventually burst.

    But all that said, I think I understand why the nation mourns McCain as we would a Roosevelt or an Eisenhower. It’s not because he was always right (he wasn’t), or because he was the last of the war heroes (he isn’t), or because he was such a warm-hearted and decent character (he could be, but he could also be petty and erratic).

    It’s because he so embodied the one thing we miss most in our politics right now, which is a sense of perspective.

    Most of the veterans in McCain’s generation had it, and since there was a time when every president and most senators had worn the uniform, the capital once had it, too.

    When you’ve seen people die grisly deaths at a young age, when you’ve prayed fervently just to come home and find a spouse and a job and live out your years in decent health, you don’t look at the next election as a life-and-death situation. You don’t think of party loyalty as the truest test of human character in the universe.

    We could call it existentialism, I guess, which is the word Norman Mailer once applied to John Kennedy. It’s the idea that you’re willing to take political risks for what’s right, because you know what genuine risk is all about.

    So maybe your party leader or some blogger will get upset. You’ll still have your life and your limbs, and you can always find something to do with them other than voting yea or nay.

    Trump, we understand, represents the death of perspective. He hasn’t a shred of it. Like anyone who equates survival with public success, all he can think about is what other people will think of him.

    And this entire generation of political leaders isn’t a whole lot better. I’m not suggesting we’d be better off as a country if we manufactured more wars; we should be thankful that so few of today’s politicians had to endure the hell that most of their predecessors did going back to the nation’s birth.

    But man, would it be nice to see a few more public servants speak and vote their consciences, even if it means they might draw a primary or lose a seat, because the worst that can happen is that they’ll have to change jobs, which is what most Americans do with regularity, and it doesn’t exempt them from having to show integrity.

    That’s what McCain was — not all the time, but most of it. He was the guy who apologized to South Carolinians for sullying himself with the Confederate flag. He was the guy who told that woman at a town hall in Minnesota that Barack Obama was a patriot, not an Arab.

    He was the guy who stood firm against torture as a tactic of war when the leaders of his own party found ways to justify it morally and legally, because not being able to raise your arms to comb your own hair in the morning has a way of clarifying what you mean by American values.

    To quote a character from another great film, “This Is Spinal Tap,” that right there is “too much f***ing perspective.”

    Maybe our politics can yet be reclaimed by a new generation of veterans who bring some of this same perspective to the cause. It’s no coincidence that Seth Moulton, once a young platoon leader on the battlefield in Iraq, is the Democratic congressman willing to tell his party’s chief boomer, Nancy Pelosi, that it’s time to get out of the way.

    Mostly, though, we’re left with parties who behave like teams in thrall to the passions of their rowdiest fans, and a president whose understanding of human frailty begins and ends with a mirror.

    So while the queen broods, her subjects mourn. We’re saying goodbye to a statesman, and we don’t have a lot of those left to lose.

  7. #317
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    During his visit to London, Donald Trump met with Queen Elizabeth.

    He asked, "Your Majesty, how do you run such an efficient government? Are there any tips you can give me?"

    "Well," replied the Queen, "the most important thing is to surround yourself with intelligent people."

    Donald frowned, and then asked, "But how do I know the people around me are really intelligent?"

    The Queen took a sip of tea and said, "Oh, that's easy Donald. You just ask them to answer a riddle."

    Seeing the puzzled look on Donald’s face, the Queen said, “Let me demonstrate it for you.”

    The Queen pushed a button on her intercom and said, "Please send Theresa May in here."

    Theresa walked into the room and said, "Yes, Your Majesty?"

    The Queen smiled and said, "Answer me this, Theresa. Your mother and father have a child. It is not your brother and it is not your sister. Who is it?"

    Theresa answered, "That would be me."

    "Yes! Very good," said the Queen.

    Donald returned to the White House and asked Mike Pence the same question. "Mike, I want you to answer this riddle. Your mother and your father have a child. It's not your brother and it's not your sister. Who is it?"

    "I'm not sure," said Mike. "Let me get back to you on that one." He went to his advisers and asked everyone, but none could give him an answer.

    The next evening Mike and his wife were dining at a fancy restaurant when he notice Sarah Palin.

    Mike walked over to her table and asked, “Sarah, can you answer a riddle for me? Your mother and father have a child and it's not your brother or your sister. Who is it?"

    Sarah answered, "That's easy, it's me!"

    Mike smiled and said, "Thanks!"

    After dinner Mike returned to the White House and met with Donald. Mike said, “I did some research and I found the answer to the riddle.”

    Donald said, “Fantastic. So, what is the answer?”

    Mike replied, “It's Sarah Palin!"

    Donald yelled, “No, you idiot!” It's Theresa May!"

    . . . and that, my friends, is how it's going in the White House.

  8. #318
    That's hilarious !!

    and sadly the truth.


  9. #319
    Haha that joke has made me chuckle - going to use that on my mother later today!

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    02B88E53-393D-4E8C-A4C9-66A5D54AD1F2..jpgThought you would smile at this CC.

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