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  • Graham
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    For the same reason, I found it too frustrating/annoying Ellie. The only predictive text that is useful to me is the 3 word predictive text.

    I find it hard to believe that these functions get used during testing by anyone who actually needs to use it. A lot like train stations with a 18 inch gap.

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  • Ellie
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    Originally posted by Graham View Post
    Given that the cursor always goes behind the full-stop and comma, a bug, it became a pain to use.
    If you type in Word using the grey onscreen keyboard, that problem with the comma jumping doesn’t happen. But it doesn’t automatically leave a space after a comma or a full stop either.

    I often type in Word anyway and copy and paste, not only for the forum, but for multiple sites.


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  • Graham
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    Thank you Ellie. I honestly don't mean to be nasty too! Life is difficult enough.

    My problem with the floating predictive text is that when I press the keyboard for any reason, the keyboard thinks that I am no longer using it and disappears! Given that the cursor always goes behind the full-stop and comma, a bug, it became a pain to use. So I settled on just using what is best at the moment.

    It is frustrating not being able to work on all these bugs and shortcomings but I am busy on my app which is more important. xx

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  • Ellie
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    Originally posted by Graham View Post
    My criticism of Ellie is well founded, she was trying to solve a problem that I don't have. I DON'T NEED EYE-GAZE, I NEED PREDICTIVE TEXT.
    That may be so, but you did ask me several questions about eye gaze. I answered and gave explanations, so no need to yell. Anyhoo, moving on…

    … Back to your issue about predictive text in Windows. You said you only get 3 word suggestions from which to choose, which is very limiting. I get many more than 3 words as follow-on suggestions if I use the Windows onscreen keyboard, usually I get 7 or 8 word choices and it learns, adding names and frequently used words/phrases. I know that enabling the ‘Show text suggestions as I type’ (in settings) yields only a few words on the screen, I don’t know if that’s where the choice of only 3 words comes in?

    Or, if you use a touch screen, and your fingers are able, you can swipe type on the onscreen keyboard. I know it probably falls very short of your wants but maybe, for now, it’s an option – better than a choice of 3. That's all I've got on non-eye gaze keyboards.

    And I’m being genuine in wishing you luck with developing the App.



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  • Graham
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    Rachel,

    Given the MNDA has not removed Ellie's unkind and professionally libellous comments, the MNDA now owns the comments.

    The MNDA is now aware that several of its benefactors have difficulty using the site.

    I maintain that this site is based on old technology and a more modern framework would better serve members. It is the design of the forum and its features that make it difficult to use but I know that the MNDA does not care.

    My criticism of Ellie is well founded, she was trying to solve a problem that I don't have. I DON'T NEED EYE-GAZE, I NEED PREDICTIVE TEXT.

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  • MNDConnect
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    Morning

    Just another reminder that one of the forum's guidelines is to be kind to each other.

    We are only able to provide facilities on the forum that Vbulletin provide. If anyone has issues with access then their health and social care professionals are able to refer them to their local environmental control specialists who can assist with this.

    Best Wishes

    Rachel
    MND Connect Adviser

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  • Graham
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    Let us be clear, neither the MNDA, you or the MNDA's IT consultant are able to make this forum accessible to people like Beemer, no matter how you try to dress it.

    Last edited by MNDConnect; 22 November 2021, 07:31.

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  • Ellie
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    Originally posted by Graham View Post
    I guess you are having a bad day Ellie.
    Quite the reverse, I'm having a great day, thank you for caring.

    Originally posted by Graham View Post
    The MNDA and you expect far too much from us 'thickos'..
    I can't speak for the MNDA, but you frequently berate Admin_MND for practising "disablism" through not being fully accessible to every forum user, so I naturally expected you to know what you were talking about, coupled with the fact you have extensive tech experience, so much so, that you're developing a care related App, which is admirable.

    That is why I expressed surprise re your lack of apparent understanding of eye tracking hardware and software.

    I offered to help.

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  • Graham
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    I guess you are having a bad day Ellie.

    The MNDA and you expect far too much from us 'thickos'.

    Please treat your carers with the respect they deserve.

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  • Ellie
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    Originally posted by Graham View Post
    I last looked at Tobi Eyegaze about 2 or 3 years ago [...] it didn't seem to help me much and the extra clutter on the screen was a pain.
    Given your extensive experience in the IT world, once again your apparent lack of understanding about assistive technology surprises me. Tobii eye trackers are hardware so contribute nothing to that “clutter on the screen”, which is solely due to whatever software is being used. The free open-source software I found from a not-to-difficult search, takes up a (movable) 2cm strip down one side of my screen, giving me an excellent working screen environment.

    Originally posted by Graham View Post
    I use the Windows AI predictive text but it only has 3 suggestions.
    Given your demands for a predictive text function on this forum, I am expecting the bells & whistles App you're altruistically developing will have such functionality for text input, as well as having icons etc. accessible to all users, from those with clumsy fingers, non-standard mouse users up to eye gaze users, all of whom may need differing ease of access refinements.

    Good luck with the App development.



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  • Graham
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    I last looked at Tobi Eyegaze about 2 or 3 years ago. Time seems to pass very quickly atm. At ~£400 it was a little expensive but it didn't seem to help me much and the extra clutter on the screen was a pain. I opted not to buy.

    I use the Windows AI predictive text but it only has 3 suggestions. There always seems to be other details that make it awkward to use.

    The best that I have found was Facebook but only in 'Tablet' mode! It is obvious that no one with an actual impediment developed any of these systems.

    Thanks anyway xx

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  • Ellie
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    Originally posted by Graham View Post
    The camera tracks the eye.
    A webcam can only 'estimate' the position of an eye/the eyes as it's only one camera and I guess may be rather frustrating and slow to use, unlike eye tracker hardware with its multiple infrared sensors tracking eye movements and far superior field of view, giving a much more precise location of the eyes which makes for precise 'clicking'.

    I don't know of any software using a webcam to track eye movements which gives full computer control, e.g., enables internet access, and is not just enables text-to-speech.

    Which product /software are you referring to when you say "the camera tracks the eye" and I can evaluate it for you?


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  • Graham
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    The sad fact is that many of us are unable to even type as our MND progresses and the flawed points presented only comfort the MNDA.

    The camera tracks the eye.

    Each individual has a budget in the NHS and the MNDA won't provide grants for equipment that the NHS are able to provide.

    Yes, good predictive text would be useful for us in many ways Doug. I guess you too will realise this soon enough.

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  • Ellie
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    Originally posted by Graham View Post
    I am interested to know how much a user of this forum with moderate/advanced MND is expected to fork out in order to use this forum. The MNDA required that I ask.
    If a forum user has difficulty using standard input methods to use a PC, they can be assessed by an AAC/AAT service and provided with appropriate alternative access methods, tablets or laptops, up to and including, full eye gaze systems. In England, an Ace Centre usually carry out this service on behalf of the NHS. Short answer: no charge for those qualifying by needs.


    Originally posted by Graham View Post
    I am pretty sure that even an average user will struggle to install and require support after paying £129 for the software.
    As I said, the software I use is free. I paid £129 for the eye tracker hardware. I think you overestimate the difficulty of clicking Yes to an Install prompt and underestimate the average user's ability to follow onscreen prompts and/or to click Turn On eye control in Windows settings. The software is ready to go.


    Originally posted by Graham View Post
    I assume that the PC's camera is used nowadays. This again may be an issue for users with old laptops. They may need a new laptop.
    Not entirely sure where you think a camera would come in, certainly not needed if using eye tracking hardware. There is some free head tracking software available, perhaps you mean that?

    The MNDA also has a grant facility which could be used to buy a higher spec tablet/laptop, if necessary.

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  • Doug Carpenter
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    I am interested to know, Graham, what model you intend to apply to the apportionment of IT asset values between their various day to day functions, e.g. email, online banking and shopping, social media, etc., in addition to forum posting.

    When it comes to misunderstanding, I am worried that your second paragraph mentioning £129 software and PC cameras could suggest that you have misunderstood not only what Ellie told you about her Torbii 4C but also the basics of Eyegaze itself.

    Also bear in mind that nowadays, in the UK, years after Ellie had to pioneer her bespoke system, we can be assessed for our need for Eyegaze – just like a grab rail or wheelchair. It should be supplied by your Electronic Assistive Technology Team or whatever that group is called locally.

    Doug

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