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  • Ellie
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    Hi Spud,

    Not everyone with MMN has the antibodies the blood tests are designed to detect so a negative blood test does not rule out MMN, hence the lumbar puncture / spinal tap test.

    I am glad your mother is getting a 2nd opinion - MMN should have different NCS & EMG results than ALS.

    Best to you both.

    Love Ellie.
    Last edited by Ellie; 18 April 2019, 15:15.

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  • nunhead_man
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    Hi Spud

    Originally posted by Spud View Post
    I am confused about one thing, he said lab work for MMN was negative. He still suggest spinal tap to make sure. Why spinal tap if lab for it was negative?
    I am sure somebody with more knowledgeable than me will be along in a minute, but I also had a spinal tap in order to confirm diagnosis.

    This was on the one hand to exclude multiple sclerosis as I understand it, but also at my request to check for infection in the spinal column as at the time I was wondering if what I had any relation to having had Bell's Palsy before.

    For those that do not know Bell's Palsy is caused by the infection of the cranial nerve, where it passes through the middle ear and as a result one side of one's face is frozen, running from eyeblink the does not work to one side of jaw not working - frighteningly similar to a stroke. In my case it seems to have been caused by viruses resulting from an attack of cold sores and was over in a fortnight. But as that freezing of nerves was what seemed to be happening to me in my case I was interested to know whether there were in fact any similar viruses in my spinal fluid that was causing the effect.

    The answer was no, of course

    My diagnosis took quite some time once I was in the hand of a competent neurologist because he wanted to see what was developing - and it was the shape of my left hand with the loss of its pinch grip, which was the definitive point in my case, along with the exclusion of everything else it could be.
    Last edited by nunhead_man; 20 April 2019, 07:57.

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  • Spud
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    Well, the test are in.

    Doctor said all labs were negative. He said ALS or MMN. He said the words terminal.

    I am confused about one thing, he said lab work for MMN was negative. He still suggest spinal tap to make sure. Why spinal tap if lab for it was negative?

    Wants us also to get second opinion from specialist which we will.

    Parents in shock. Mom really held out hope for Lyme disease. Mom felt he was sending her home to die. Im not about that. He didnt suggest PT, OT, or anything. Maybe he expecting specialist to handle it.

    We are still at a crossroad. One roads leads to recovery of a sort MMN treatable and the other to the unknown.

    Hanging in there. Goodnight from Houston. Thanks for listening.

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  • Ellie
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    Yes Spud, do mention the change of vocabulary to the Neuro - it might be nothing or something.

    Love Ellie.

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  • Spud
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    Good morning from Houston

    Thank you for all for your kind words and information.

    Test are in. Mom and I have an appointment for Tuesday to find out our journey. She has allowed me to take her and I'm already making a list of questions to ask if the case arises.

    I do have one thing I have noticed. Mom is using words when she talks to me that she would not normally use. She is very "proper". She doesn't curse in front of me or use slang type terminology. Is this something I should mention to Neurologist?

    Spud

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  • Ellie
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    Hi Spud and welcome.

    Sorry to hear of your mum's diagnosis. I understand your feelings.

    It's probably best if your mother attends an ALS Specialist to have her diagnosis confirmed if her "small town Neurologist" isn't confident on diagnosing ALS/MND, or indeed you want a 2nd opinion.

    Going forward, if it's possible, attending an ALS Clinic is recommended for the best and most appropriate care - they have the expertise for both medical and equipment needs.

    To find your mum's nearest centre, use the finder on this link http://www.alsa.org/community/?gclid...0aAqcUEALw_wcB

    You'll also find lots of good info on the site.

    Take care.

    Love Ellie.

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  • Kayleigh
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    Hello Spud,

    Welcome to the forum. I'm sorry that your mom is so unwell.

    I think you are a very kind and caring person and it is wonderful that you want to help you mum as much as possible. I expect she is very proud of you for being so supportive of her and wanting to help her so much.

    It's true that because MND is a rare disease not all doctors have a great deal of knowledge about it, and so it's great that you are doing your own research.

    You have probably already realised that there is a lot of information on the MNDA's website but please don't hesitate to ask questions and ask for advice here as well.

    Understandably, this is an upsetting and difficult time for you. You are being very brave and I hope you have support from family and friends.

    This forum is a special and friendly place, where we usually have an empathy and understanding of what we are all going through. Please feel welcome to join in on this forum as often as you like.

    Best wishes,
    Kayleigh x
    Last edited by Kayleigh; 12 April 2019, 14:52.

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  • Deb
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    Hi Spud and a warm welcome to the forum. So sorry about your Mums diagnosis.

    This is the right place for emotional support and practical advice. The early days are totally overwhelming, with so many worries but make sure you look after yourself too.

    Love Debbie x

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  • shrew
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    so sorry to hear of your Mum'd diagnosis Spud . People are helpful on here x

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    Hi Spud

    Sorry for your Mom's diagnosis. Since you live in the US considering contacting the ALS Association they can also help you locate chapters in your Mom's area as well as support groups.

    You have found the right place here for great advice, and support from forum members.

    Wishing you, your Mom, and your family all the best in the days ahead.

    CC xx

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  • Terry
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    Hi Spud;

    The info on the main Mnda site is very good and here is a link to the "Information Sheets",

    https://www.mndassociation.org/about...fected-by-mnd/

    Including this one for telling children:-

    https://www.mndassociation.org/wp-co...h-children.pdf

    I think it's best to tell everyone, and kids are normally very accepting.

    Your mums progression seems quite slow so she could have a mainly PLS type one which is what I have.

    I doubt that your parents use a computer but it might be a good idea to get a speech program on one. If you have a I phone, you can down load "Speak It" for around $6, and you can use it and see what you think. There are other options for Android tablet's/phones and I Pads.

    It's good that she's looking for a scooter to get around on, I did that.

    We can get drinks that you can live on, they are quite expensive at around $2.5 each and you would need around 6 per day. But it's important for her to keep her weight up. There is a food ideas leaflet on the main site and various threads on the subject.

    Please feel free to ask any questions or just share things with us.

    Best wishes, Terry

    PS: You posted in the right place on the forum in the right way. But please split your posts up more with paragraphs, so they are easier to read and follow.

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  • Lynne K
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    Good luck with everything Spud. Good idea to go with your mum to her next Neurology appointment. Lynne

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  • Spud
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    Thank you both for responding.

    Terry, mom told me the doctor said rare motor neurone disease when she last saw him 2 weeks ago. I was not at appointment and as I said my dad didn't get it. I think the Neurologist down played it because he needs to rule out everything else it might be. Plus, it is a small town and he may have never had a patient with this. I have convinced my mom to let me go to the next appointment which will tell us actually what we are dealing with. I just want to be prepared and ask the right questions. Also, I have looked at other forums but was drawn to this one and the information. I will try forums in my country as well. I'm looking at all MND information I can get my hands on. A lot of information I have read is from UK and even some from Japan.

    Lynne, thank you for the mention of voice banking. I know I read a patient story about it but did not really understand. I will ask Neurologist. Also, my mom is using a walker and has now begun to search for a scooter so she is not confined to house. We just don't know what we are looking at as far as equipment. I hope to know more next week. If all test are back, which they probably are, we will see Neurologist and start a plan. I have the type personality that says we can fix this. There is an answer out there which makes me pushy. Mom doesn't need that right now so I'm trying to find answers myself to help point her in the right direction. It just seems like a needle in the haystack.

    I did forget to mention earlier that mom has last over 20 pounds in last year. She told me that her leg muscles have wasted away and she can't get in bathtub anymore. She has also noted index finger that has atrophied. I can tell that swallowing is a problem and she always clears her throat now when she talks. Her voice has changed as well.

    Thank you again for the input

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  • Terry
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    Hi Spud and welcome to the forum;

    Sorry to hear of your mum's problems and the affect it has on your family.

    Does your mum have a diagnoses and if so did they say what type. They can sometimes tell a lot from the EMG about this.

    There are groups in your country that might provide some advise and maybe help.

    try to write more later

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  • Lynne K
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    Hi Spud. Sorry to hear of your worry about your mum. Waiting for a diagnosis is very hard and has your emotions all over the place which is perfectly understandable and common.

    Your mum sounds very stoic. But if it is MND she will soon need to ask for help when she needs it. Also, she'd need to get treatment and help with the right equipment at home.

    If your mum can still stand and walk but there's a risk of falling then maybe talk her into getting a walker. 3 wheeled walkers are convenient around the house but 4 wheeled are more stable. Here in the UK we are provided walking aids and wheelchairs free of charge by our local services team.

    About your mum's failing speach. Would she start banking her voice before she looses it? Then her banked voice could be used to create a synthetic voice that aims to be closer to our natural voices than a synthetic voice off the shelf. If you search previous messages for voice banking and speech software you will find links about how to start the process.

    I send you an electronic hug. Take care, Lynne
    Last edited by Lynne K; 11 April 2019, 17:50.

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